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B2B2C

Selling to businesses that serve consumers. Lirio's customers are health systems, payers, retail pharmacies, and life sciences companies; the end beneficiary is the patient or member.

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Business model where a company sells to a business that distributes the product to end consumers. Relivable sells to venues, who give the consumer app to engaged couples.

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A business model in which a company sells technology or infrastructure to a business customer (B2B), which uses it to deliver products or services to end consumers (B2C). The company is the middle B — invisible to the end user but essential to the value chain. Softheon's model: they build the white-label platform that health insurance companies use to enroll, retain, and serve their individual members. 10 million Americans interact with Softheon's technology through their insurance company's branded interface without knowing Softheon's name.

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